1938 WILLYS HOOD ORNAMENT, THE MAKING OF THE PLASTIC INSERT
ACRYLIC PLASTIC GUIDANCE/HANDY HINTS FROM TOM CARVER
Here are three posts from Tom Carver who reviews all the do's and don'ts of
working with Acrylic....Tom is owner and builder of '31Plymouth with BB
Chevy and presently building a Deuce Pickup from scratch...a build from scratch
hot rodder.....mgb
I got my hood ornament back last night finally....looks great.....better
than it probably ever did new...so this morningthe a , I stopped into Ridout Plastics and bought myself a big piece
of Acrylic, clear, about 12 inches square and a 1 1/4 thick....will need a
fine tooth blade for my table saw to cut it and then I can probably shape
with my grinding wheel or the die grinder till I get it close to shape and
then one is suppose to use very fine sand paper to finish it off and bring
it back to the glass finish...guess there is a polishing compound as
well....but I will leave it....I have enough I can have a couple go's if I
mess it up...cost 20 bucks ....I bought the whole chunk as if they cut me a
little sliver it was going to be 10 bucks....mgb
Pretty neat Mike. That's a huge slab of acrylic. Yeah, a carbide tipped
blade with a lot of teeth should do a good job. When you start cutting, it
may get warm and tend to get the acrylic sticky, so keep pushing through at a
steady rate so the blade won't get stuck to the acrylic. Acrylic will shatter
into big jagged hunks if you're too violent with cutting or drilling.
A band saw would be better if you need to cut out odd shapes -- in case you
know somebody with one. If you use a belt sander or a disc sander, keep
moving around. If you hold the acrylic in one spot on the same area of
sandpaper too long, it'll overheat and start to melt and then it'll melt all
over the sandpaper and either tear all the sand off the paper or completely
gum up the paper. If you keep it moving all the time it'll be okay though.
If you need to remove a lot of acrylic to start shaping it, you'll probably
want to start out with some really coarse 32 or 50 grit -- otherwise you'll
take all day. You say you might use your "grinding wheel"? A grinding wheel
like you use to sharpen tools would just melt the acrylic and smear it around
and make a mess of the grinding wheel. Coarse sandpaper would work a lot
better. You want something with an open grit, so that lots of air can get in
there to help keep it cool.
Oh yeah, I should warn you that acrylic can catch on fire with an invisible
clear flame. It burns pretty easily. You don't know it's on fire until you
see it melting and boiling at the surface because the flame is almost
perfectly clear. When it burns it smells kind of like apples. I've never had
it catch on fire using a sander, but I've had it catch on fire while doing
"flame polishing".
Sorry if I sound like a shop teacher. I'm used to warning all the students
here at work about everything to keep them from destroying the lab.
Tom
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Thanks Tom....as you can tell, I know nothing about this....getting at my
table saw is going to be a pain....they had suggested I use a drimmel tool
for some of the shaping or a die grinder with a fine grinding tip.....I will
stay away from my grinder now....and I don't want a fire either...may have
to look around for a band saw to borrow..mgb
yeah, you want something that kind of scoops away the material, rather than
rubbing it off. Nice sharp carbide blades or sharp coarse sandpaper moving
fast. As long as you keep it cool, it sands or cuts away easy. It's just
when you use something dull that just rubs on it and gets it hot, that you run
into problems. If you could cut the basic shape out on a bandsaw and use a
belt sander or disc sander to shape it, that would probably be the best bet.
Or for stuff like that, sometimes a right angle die grinder with little 3"
coarse sanding disks works great. I did all the sanding of epoxy resin and
fiberglass when I made those fiberglass mouldings that run along the bottom of
my Plymouth under the doors using one of those 3" sanders with 3-M "rol-lok"
32 or 50 grit sanding disks. They cut real nice. That's how I sanded the
high spots off the epoxy on my roof insert too in between layers. In the shop
here at work we have a big 6" belt sander with about 50 grit paper on it -- it
works good for stuff like sanding plastic unless somebody got the grit all
dull by sanding glass or titanium or something. If the paper's dull, it just
melts the plastic and makes a mess.
I have a 10" table saw, but I used a fine tooth 7-1/4" carbide tipped blade to
cut up acrylic and polycarbonate on it before. Those smaller blades aren't
too expensive at Home Depot. I think the blade I used was meant for cutting
paneling or thin plywood. It worked fine for cutting plastic. I never cut
any 1-1/4" thick stuff on it though. I cut some that thick on the big
"Do-All" bandsaw here at work though, and it was easy on that one. Actually
if it's that thick you don't need a real fine blade on the band saw. I used
the blade that has something like 5 teeth per inch and it worked fine. That
saw just has an ordinary "bi-metal" type alloy steel blade.
Tom
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Pretty neat Mike. Both plastic parts came out really nice. The router was
a good idea on the second piece. I like your write-up and the pictures on
your website. Besides people with Willys, probably some people wanting to
make some other sort of gizmos out of acrylic will stumble onto your website
and it'll help them out a lot.
If you can see down into the part from the top and you don't like how the
frosted part on the back side looks -- like in the areas where you had to
drill 1/4" and 5/16" (or whatever it was) holes, there's a way you can make
those look almost polished. At Tap Plastics they sell some solvent cement
for gluing acrylic that has "methylene chloride" as the main ingredient.
You can paint over a rough machined surface with that solvent cement, and it
will melt the surface and when it dries, it will look almost polished. They
have two kinds. One is a low viscosity that's good when you want to make a
quick bond like a T between two 1/4" acrylic sheets that are machined to
mate closely with each other, and the other one is a thickened one that is
made for laminating larger slabs of acrylic to each other -- like if you
wanted to glue two large 1/2" slabs together to make a 1" slab. The low
viscosity one is very runny -- more runny than say gasoline -- and it dries
quickly so it doesn't have much time to melt the plastic unless it's
sandwiched between two pieces, and if you put too much on, it tends to run
all over the place where you don't want it. You usually make the bonds by
"capillary action" where you just dab some at the edge of the joint and it
wicks in by capillary action. But the thickened laminating type solvent
cement stays liquid for a while. It's about as thick as honey. You can use
a little paintbrush to paint that thicker one on and it will melt the rough
machined surface and when it dries, it'll look like glass. Sometimes it'll
wind up looking a little milky. It depends on how rough it is and whether
tiny air bubbles get mixed in. When you bond something using those solvent
cements, and you do it right, you can see right through the joint. Solvent
cement actually welds the plastic together by melting both sides into each
other. With the thick syrupy stuff, you have more time to squeeze and try
to work out the bubbles.
But actually, probably that machined satin finish on the bottom side
probably looks good. It probably helps it to refract more light and make it
sparkle more.
I just thought I'd let you know about that solvent cement stuff just in
case you might want to make the bottom look clear.the they
I think somebody makes acrylic cement which is dyed different colors so that
people can make artistic things where you look through a thick slab and see
multiple layers and colors at the bond joints. Or sometimes they'll
laminate different colors of acrylic together so that they can make parts
with colored stripes all through them. Probably some acrylic lacquer or
enamel would do the same job if you just wanted to paint the bottom to make
it opaque. Maybe some black paint would make the bottom just sort of
disappear.
So how did you mount the acrylic piece to the chrome ornament? Does it just
snap in there, or is it screwed in, or do you have to glue it in? Hey, if
you have to glue it in, Home Depot sells some stuff called something like
"tub and shower surround adhesive". It's like "liquid nails", but it's
designed to glue acrylic panels to the wall without affecting the acrylic.
Most adhesives will dissolve and make a mess out of acrylic, or warp the
acrylic, but that stuff doesn't affect it. I used some before. It works
pretty well. It dries slowly into a soft stretchy white rubber. It's
moisture resistant. I think it's about $2 in a 12" caulking gun tube.
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